The difference at this point is that Bin Ladens appearance is not likely to boost support for the Bush Administration or Republicans in general. Bin Laden has now devloped more into a symbol of incompetence on their part

Thanks Mike -- I hope you are right.

Steve Clemons

How can Americans be so uncritical in their thinking?

GWB is strong on national defense?

How so?

During 2000 and on through Sept 11, 2001, it was George W. Bush's "most solemn duty" to protect the United States from attack.

As evidence by the nearly three thousand murders and the billions of dollars in damage that were incurred on Sept 11, 2001 it is quite obvious that George W. Bush utterly failed to do that "most solemn duty" during 2000 and on through Sept 11, 2001.

Then, in response to these most horrific attacks on US soil, George W. Bush *inadvertently* fathered a burgeoning Islamic republic with long standing ties to Iran which he deemed an axis of evil.

(BTW: Today, a strong ruling power in Iraq is Al Dawa which in 1983 bombed the U.S. Embassy in Kuwait.)

9/11 + Iraq = Bush's Extremist Islamic Republic?

Why is the GOP considered as strong on defense?

What evidence is there?

How are the attacks of 9/11 indicative of being strong on defense?

I think that is largely a media fabrication.

Another tape from the dead guy. Goss and his minions will authenticate it by sundown today, bank on it.

Up till now, Bush has benefitted from having bin Laden at large. It's allowed Bush to exaggerate the terrorist threat, and to invoke the nightmare scenario of Saddam (pre-invasion) passing a dirty bomb on to al Quaeda. (I know it never made much sense, but it convinced a lot of people to support the Iraq War.)

Now it's getting ridiculous, though, that bin Laden is still at large. And of course he's a hero in much of the Muslim world, because he managed to attack the US and live to tell about it.

It will be interesting to see if the Bush administration makes a real, concerted effort to capture or kill bin Laden. That could spell victory for the GOP in Congress this year. Leaving bin Laden alone makes them look ineffectual.

Observing this White House turns all of us into cynics, doesn't it?

"I want justice. And there's an old poster out west, that I recall, that said, ``Wanted, Dead or Alive.''
- Bush, September 17, 2001

The Bin Laden boogyman is money in the bank to these lying bastards in the White House. I had to laugh at the CNN report this morning that said "authorities were checking the tape to determine it's authenticity". Yeah??? Well who determines the authenticity of the authenticitors??? Would it really suprise anyone for these treasonous pricks to produce a dead or alive Bin Laden, or another nefarious act that implicates Bin Laden, at precisely the correct political moment???

The Bush Administration's justification for almost all of it's policies can be summed up with just one simple word...........

BOO!!!!!!

UBL?

Who cares?

Not one image generated so far has withstood scrutiny.

The toppling of the SH statute was bullshit: It was YANKED down by an Abrams battle field tank.

Even SH's capturing was BULLSHIT.

Ex-Marine Says Public Version of Saddam Capture Fiction
Last Update: 3/9/2005 9:58:50 AM
United Press International

A former U.S. Marine who participated in capturing ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein said the public version of his capture was fabricated.

Ex-Sgt. Nadim Abou Rabeh, of Lebanese descent, was quoted in the Saudi daily al-Medina Wednesday as saying Saddam was actually captured Friday, Dec. 12, 2003, and not the day after, as announced by the U.S. Army.

"I was among the 20-man unit, including eight of Arab descent, who searched for Saddam for three days in the area of Dour near Tikrit, and we found him in a modest home in a small village and not in a hole as announced," Abou Rabeh said.

"We captured him after fierce resistance during which a Marine of Sudanese origin was killed," he said.

He said Saddam himself fired at them with a gun from the window of a room on the second floor. Then they shouted at him in Arabic: "You have to surrender. ... There is no point in resisting."

"Later on, a military production team fabricated the film of Saddam's capture in a hole, which was in fact a deserted well," Abou Rabeh said.

Abou Rabeh was interviewed in Lebanon.

Bush and bin Laden have a perverse symbiotic relationship. Bush was perceived as a light weight before bin Laden murdered 3000 of our citizens on 9/11. Everytime we get close to an election, he reappears. In the past, this has only helped Bush.

Bin Laden helped Bush in Nov. 2004, but his audio tape in January didn't help Bush much, if at all. Things seem to have changed, probably since Katrina shattered the myth of Bush's competence.

One point here about capturing/killing Bin Laden is that at least some of the hard-liners don't want to get Bin Laden. They're afraid that if Bin Laden is permanently taken out of commission, the American people will feel that the War on Terror is essentially over, and that will remove the excuse for all the extreme measures they've been taking since 2001. Mark Steyn and other ultra-hawky columinsts have basically written just that, and Bush's downplaying of Bin Laden's importance ("I'm not that concerned about him") was also a way of doing that, of trying to convince people that this is a broader, longer operation than just getting Bin Laden.

So if Bin Laden is captured this October, the Republicans may get a short-term boost for November, but in the long run it will be good for America and the world, because it will be harder to make the case that we're in a "long war."

Is it inappropriatte to question the legitimacy of this tape? Tin foil hat time? Normaly the CIA verifies the authenticity of the voice but not the date or origin. That would be factually correct even if they knew that the tape was digitally spliced, by the propaganda shop, from known samples. Should we have any confidance that someone "imside" would have the integrity to leak the truth if this were true?

M.A.,

I agree with your analysis -- something has shifted, finally. I wish it had happened in time for the 2004 election. In fact, the shift in public opinion has been slow, steady and grudging.

Is Bush, or any president, an exception to the Feiler Faster principle? (See Mickey Kaus, http://www.kausfiles.com/archive/index.02.24.00.html)

By the way, M.A., do you recall where Mark Steyn wrote that it's a good thing for the war on terror that bin Laden is still at large? I'd like to read that.

One thing I disagree with you about is this: If the Dems can win control of either house of Congress this year, they can investigate stuff that badly needs to see the light of day. The menu is a long one, from the prison archipelago to torture to NSA eavesdropping to Plamegate to Halliburton, and on and on. This could affect the 2008 election a lot.

If bin Laden is captured soon, then none of that will happen.

Back during the Iran Hostage era there were counters in the media telling us how many days had passed with the Americans still in custody. Later, Lou Dobbs counted the days since Enron folded with no one on trial. Where are the media counters for OBL being still at large? Why not at least one question at press conferences concerning this man?

M.A.: Bin Laden helped Bush in Nov. 2004,

Diebold was a helluva lot more helpful to Bush than UBL.

Not having a verifiable and actual vote count in OH was a great boon for Bush.

There is NO good reason at all to think that the GOP is tough or good at defense.

That is PURE bullshit, a media fabrication gobbled up by the unthinking.

Where's the EVIDENCE the GOP is actualy EFFECTIVE?

9/11 is proof the GOP sucks at defense.

9/11 proves Bush did not do his commonly brandished "most solemn duty", i.e. protect the USA from attack.

The *inadvertent* fathering of a burgeoning extremist Islamic republic in Iraq proves the GOP is incompetent at achieving positive results thru war.

when that tape surfaced in 2004, my knee-jerk reaction was to surmise that this would be a nail in the bush coffin. but as it was debated (and apparently as it played-out at the polls), the tape actually was a boost for bush. and therein lies the inertia of this fallacy that bush is "better on defense"..

the rational voter in me would like to think that FINALLY the bin laden effect will be translated from one that reminds voters of bush and defense, to one that reminds voters of bush and incompetence. but i've made the mistake in the past assuming that this kind of thinking is shared by a majority of voters.

Who do I tell that the president of Uzbekistan (sp) was in New Orleans eating at Arnaud's night before last?

Bush.

Defense.

All hat, no cattle.

Couple of questions:

Is it true that our satellites can survey land down to the meter or foot level? If not commercially, perhaps the military ones?

I ask this because, if we have that ability, we should be able to tell where Usama walks by comparing the topography in the tapes to the earth's topography. Yeah, it may take awhile, but I bet even I could do it with my slowest computer in the five years since 911.

I saw Stephen Kinser, the author of "Overthrow" yesterday on Booknotes, and it upset me greatly. The history of US actions that changed governments shames me as an American. The destruction of the Iranian democracy was foolish and basically evil because it happened only to ensure that Iran would not meet the goals of its citizens! They didn't hate us until our government decided that our interests were more important than theirs. How is that NOT the definition of evil?

Mr. Kinser's book is important because it exposes the true intentions of the people we allow to govern us, and it gives clarity to and focus to the genesis of the conflicts we face now, without the crappy, treasonous explanations these people expect us to accept.

There is a concept in Black culture that talks about "removing the veil" from a person's third eye. This eye is the one found on the back of our currency, above the pyramid, and it symbolizes a person's intellect. A person is said to be "veiled" until s/he understands the root cause of a series of related events. Removing the veil is the education that reveals the cause from which those events, and their effects, flow. The purpose of Mr Kinser's book seems to be the removal of this veil, at least from my "eye", and I intend to read it as if it were my bible.

We unleashed Iran onto the world. It is our meddling - no, our shameful, willful destruction of their democratic society - that produced the "terrorism", which in reality is the retaliation of the society we destroyed because we wanted to control their lives and they did not want to be controlled. It is our creation, just as sure as Iraq is created from the same mold. The only difference there is that Saddam was our dictator. Regardless of the difference in style of governance, the resultant hell is the same.

We have no right to say that these "terrorists" hate our way of life. In Iran, they were us, just as surely as a toddling boy emulates his older brother and his father. What they hate is the rejection we served them and the betrayal answered their emulation with. We have no more right to lie about their motives - by leaving out the part of the story about why they are so murderously angry with us - than we do to claim that the world is our oyster and all its peoples are merely sand under our feet.

And I thank Mr. Kinser for verifying this truth for me. I hope Usama and all of Al Qaida is captured before they do any more harm, but - just as in OJ's case - I understand, now, more than ever.

Sadly, Bin Laden = Good for Bush

I think OBL knows this... I think he knows that the best way to defeat America is, to use a boxing metaphor, to let it punch itself out (tire itself out) with operations that drain it politically, economically, and militarily. OBL could never, through any operation have drained/ divided the U.S. the way 8 years of Bush has. He figured this out and hopes for continued Republican domination of our policy process. (Though, at this point what do we gain by voting for Democrats???)

1. It looks like Bin Laden has served as Bush's partner for 4 years. Bush pulls out a bin laden tape when he wanted to win elections in 2002, 2004, and now 2006.

2. Can Republicans defend America better than Democrats? No, that myth EXPLODED with the first plane that hit the world trade center on 9-11-2001. We cannot trust the cheap labor Republican Party to defend America. Cheap labor Republicans failed to defend America on 9-11-2001.

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Why does bin Laden seem to show up when Bush might need him the most (poll approval at 33%, and just before the '04 election, etc)? You would think that a reminder of his continuing good health would be a sharp stick in the eye of the supposed Bush competence on national security. When was the last time Bush even mentioned bin Laden's name? The timing of these appearances is highy suspicious, even if they seem to be current.

Is it true that you can hear the sounds of Rush Limbaugh's radio show in the background, and the twang of a texas waitress calling out an order for barbecue?

Bin Laden must be very well fed today, at any rate. Bush would be nervous if OBL were in any danger.

More seriously, where can one read a good, concise case for OBL and Al Qaeda being the sole planners and perpetrators of 9/11?
I'm not a wild-eyed conspiracy theorist on that subject.... but I'm tempted. I certainly have good reason not to trust any government report about 9/11.
Remember, it's recently come out that Zarqawi's importance has been overstated, although obviously he is an enemy.

Is OBL even alive?...is the tape even real?...who the hell knows....

Strange that this time OBL purports to say that both the US goverment and "citizens" are "responsible"....

I find that statement odd..I am sure if he is alive and making these tapes he has access to polling data and reports of our unhappiness with all things Iraq and Bush and Israel/Pal.

Now why would OBL want to "warn" regular citizens they are going to be targeted for their support of this adm?...hummmm?

Does he want to draw us even further into a ME flame out by attacking us again?....or are we being set up to accept the next "Islam terrier" event staged to save the neo's asses.

BINGO!

5:99pm MDT, CBS news is reporting that the tape is authentic in their lead story...

and no, I'm not in a time warp LOL! these keys are too close together, plus I'm drunk on Chuckwagon Steak & Beans...

obl tape?
maybe, maybe not. call me very skeptical:

"Digital morphing — voice, video, and photo — has come of age, available for use in psychological operations. PSYOPS, as the military calls it, seek to exploit human vulnerabilities in enemy governments, militaries and populations to pursue national and battlefield objectives."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm

After 6 years of the Bush administration, I no longer believe OBL had anything to do with 9-11. I'd like some proof, thanks. Until then, I'll just go with "CUI BONO?" And it's pretty obvious ciu bono.

Madeleine "What’s the point of having this superb military you’re always talking about, if we can’t use it?" Albright:

Iraq 'One of the Worst Disasters of US Foreign Policy'

oops, here we go.

sedrunsic: but as it was debated (and apparently as it played-out at the polls), the tape actually was a boost for bush.

Yes, I know.

But since there is strangely no actual way to physical count and verify how many actually people voted for Bush in OH et al. (thanks to Diebold) there is no paper trail to actually see how responded to the tapes as real.

And again, the Faux image of the GOP as tough on defense is pure BULLSHIT.

Where is the evidence that they are?

9/11 occurs, the most horrific attack on US soil, and GWB is tough on defense?

Bush fuct up in 2000 on thru 11 Sept 2001.

If he's so tough and the GOP is the best protector why did the most horrific attack on the GOP watch?

During that time, it was his "most solemn duty" and nobody else's.

GOP = incompetence, greed, perversion

I'm not sure how popular OBL is in the arab/muslim world these days. After the attack on Syria, both OBL and al zarqawi took huge popularity dives. It turns out that arabs and muslims really DON'T like dying at the hands of terrorists anymore than anyone else does.

ooops, sorry, make that "after the attack on Jordan", not Syria.

Quite amazing how gullible instruments of Mainstream Media and U.S. citizenry continue to be. Public is being played like a fiddle..............
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/binladen_audio.html

One more time: W A K E U P ! ! ! ! !

The very idea of a wanted terrorist fugitive still making videotapes should send every american into fits of rage. Ladies and gents I give you John Kerry:

"Osama Bin Laden is loose today because we allowed him to escape at Tora Bora."

An author on the Huffington blog quotes the scholar Susan Douglas......

"One of the deep consequences of the relentless Bush propaganda is that millions of people now struggle daily to figure out what actually are facts and what is spin. In this environment, everything is spin, and laws and facts are cast as debatable, mere opinions. Everything is partisan, everything "framed."'

The comments on this thread cement the quoted premise.

You can read the thread here....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barry-yourgrau/cheneys-snarl_b_19639.html

This is incredibly naive. Why are we not to believe this tape hasn't been faked, like so much else, by a US intelligence agency?

"This is incredibly naive. Why are we not to believe this tape hasn't been faked, like so much else, by a US intelligence agency?"

Posted by Dick Fitzgerald

Well, what part of "mission accomplished" or "the insurgency is in its last throes" do you distrust???

Gadzooks, get with the program, man!

(But hey, do you think Gannon's "qualifications" were exaggerated too???? Is ANYTHING sacred to these folks????)

The Bin Laden factor will not be present in 2006 since blame for this one falls on the President and the congress, the media is in part also to blame for pressuring the administration enough on this. Second, I agree with Stephen that if Osama is captured or killed by November that Republicans will see a surge at the polls.

For some reason I feel this tape has a sense of almost being a good bye, sort of like (and this in no way implies an endorsement) MLKing's "I have a dream" speech. Like he knows he hasn't much time left. WooHoooooo!

Why doesn't anyone mention that the only real connection between Osama and Saddam is that they've both been on the CIA payroll?

bin Ladin is the "Carlos the Jackal" of the new millenium. A figurehead for the faceless malcontents, and a beacon for a bunch of warmongering idiots.

The saga continues.
Mikolo

Like SC I hope Mike is right. OBL is well on his way to creating sectarian/tribal divisions in Pakistan which has already made large areas ungovernable by the central government and where OBL is currently located. This has a very real potential of disintegrating the country.

OBL's real intention has very little to do with US politics but more to do with shoring up support in the islamic world. Recent US posturing re Iran has shifted the limelight from al queda to Iran in the islamic world. Any attack on Iran would bring al quaeda into that country as the muslim world unites against western imperialism.

In a rational world, OBL's recent media announcement would be an indictment of the impotence of the world's superpower that is not concerned about what happens to him but which should have assumed the responsibility of bringing him to trial for crimes against humanity.

US military is perfectly capable of doing that, in fact more so than continuing a foerign occupation. The cost, however, lies in Musharaf's political demise.

OBL's tape is not a fake. It is a warning to Pakistan to lay off Waziristan and a reminder to the muslim world that al quaeda remains a potent fighting force.

If the US were to focus on capturing OBL which it is capable of doing, that might mean the end of the war on terror and the end of the neocon masterplan.

Fortunately, Kerry has responded forcefully to this by emphasizing the failure to capture him. I wouldn't put money on our getting him anytime soon.

What are the chances that we've known all along where Bin Ladin is and have been waiting to look good for the upcoming elections to capture or kill him and make the administration look good?

The only way bin Laden helps the Reps in 06 is if the Dems fail to make these guys responsible for the fact that he is still out there making tapes and mocking the U.S. I don't understand why the Dems are not in full frontal assualt mode with a very simple message: this Admin and the congressional republicans have made this country LESS SAFE. The fact that we have not caught bin Laden is but one small point they could marshall in support of this powerful message.

Surge in the polls?

The Pubes are not dogs and the voters are not Pavlov.

Anyone who thinks the GOP is good at national defense is seriously retarded.

There is NO evidence the the GOP is good at national defense.

None.

It is perception.

The nearly 3000 dead bodies on 9/11 are hard to misperceive.

The hundreds of billions of dollars in damage on 9/11 are hard to misperceive.

The inadvertent fathering of a burgeoning fundamentalist Islamic republic in Iraq is hard to misperceive.

The inadvertent fathering of a burgeoning fundamentalist Islamic Middle East is also hard to misperceive.

GOP sucks at defense.

It's not bin Laden I'm worried about right now, it's the prospect of Tony Snow becomming press secretary. If he gets it, the Dems might not be able to get past his considerable charm offensive with the media.

Summary: Media Matters for America documented a number of Tony Snow's false or misleading claims when it was reported that he was on the shortlist for the position of White House press secretary. Following are numerous additional claims advanced by Snow in print and on the air.

Suggested Democrats objected to Bush's warrantless spying because they think the "government should not be able to listen to Al Qaeda": While speaking to Fox News political analyst Bob Beckel, Snow suggested that "Democratic opposition" to the warrantless domestic surveillance program arose from the belief that "the government should not be able to listen to Al Qaeda people talking to American citizens." Further, Snow claimed that the lack of additional domestic terrorist attacks was "a sign of [the program's] success." As Media Matters has noted, this false claim was first made by White House senior adviser Karl Rove during an address to the Republican National Committee at its winter meeting and was quickly spread as a talking point by numerous conservatives. But, contrary to Rove and Snow's assertion, no national Democratic figure -- member of the Democratic leadership in Congress, Democratic governor, or Democratic Party official -- has said that the United States should not be intercepting calls suspected to involve Al Qaeda. Moreover, Snow's claims about the program's effectiveness are not supported by the evidence.
Claimed that Carter and Bush both authorized warrantless surveillance of U.S. citizens: Snow asserted that former President Jimmy Carter had "signed an executive order that authorized the attorney general to approve electronic surveillance to acquire foreign intelligence information." Snow went on to claim that this represented "exactly what the president is doing." But Snow ignored a crucial difference: Carter, unlike Bush, prohibited such surveillance of U.S. citizens. Indeed, Carter's order specifically required the attorney general to certify that the surveillance will not contain "the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party." [Fox News' Weekend Live, 12/24/05]
Claimed that the FISA probable cause standard kept the FBI from inspecting Moussaoui's laptop: Snow said that FBI agents in possession of Zacarias Moussaoui's laptop "decided not to go ahead and look at the contents because they ... had no definite proof that the guy was a terrorist" and, therefore, couldn't meet the probable cause standard necessary for a warrant under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). But Snow ignored the bipartisan finding by the Senate Judiciary Committee that the investigators had possessed sufficient evidence but that FBI attorneys had applied a too-stringent standard for establishing probable, preventing the investigators from petitioning the court for authorization. [Fox News' Weekend Live, 12/24/05]
Claimed that 2002 FISA review court opinion allowed for warrantless domestic surveillance: Snow stated that a 2002 opinion (In re: Sealed Case No. 02-001) by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review "says the president's inherent authority allows him" to eavesdrop on the international communications of U.S. residents. But the claim misrepresents the 2002 decision, in which the court said only that the president has inherent authority to conduct foreign intelligence surveillance without a warrant. The court did not rule on the question of whether a president has the constitutional authority to spy on people in the United States without a warrant, in apparent violation of FISA.
CIA leak investigation

Falsely claimed that Wilson said Cheney had sent him to Niger: Snow claimed in his July 15, 2005, column that former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV said he "had been dispatched by [Vice President] Dick Cheney to conduct a secret mission to Niger." In fact, Wilson never claimed that Cheney sent him on the trip. To the contrary, he wrote in his July 6, 2003, op-ed in The New York Times that the CIA requested he go on the mission "so they could provide a response" to questions raised by Cheney regarding allegations that Iraq had attempted to purchase uranium from the African country.
Claimed that Intel Committee "discovered" that Plame recommended Wilson for the Niger mission: In his July 15, 2005, column, Snow further claimed that the Senate Intelligence Committee, in its 2004 "Report on the U.S. Intelligence Community's Prewar Intelligence Assessments on Iraq," "discovered that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, did indeed recommend him for the trip" to Niger. But the committee did not officially conclude that she had been responsible for Wilson's assignment. Media Matters previously noted that Snow had falsely asserted that Wilson said his wife "wasn't covert for six years" before she was exposed as a CIA operative by syndicated columnist Robert Novak.
Terrorism

Falsely accused Clinton of rejecting bin Laden offer: Snow advanced the discredited claim that Sudan had offered to "hand over" Osama bin Laden to the United States in the 1990s, but that the Clinton administration responded, "Nah, don't want to do it." But this claim is derived from an August 11, 2002, article on right-wing news website NewsMax that distorted a speech Clinton made in 2002. Indeed, the bipartisan 9-11 Commission found (page 3) "no reliable evidence to support" the claim that Sudan offered bin Laden to the United States and determined that, based on Clinton's testimony, in "wrongly recounting a number of press stories he had read," Clinton had "misspoken" in his 2002 speech. [Fox News' Weekend Live, 2/25/06]
Claimed botched CIA attack on Ayman Al-Zawahiri "was a success": Snow claimed the January 13 CIA drone attack in western Pakistan targeting top Al Qaeda official al-Zawahiri "was a success." Further, Snow and guest Richard Miniter both claimed the attack "knocked off four to five key Al Qaeda" figures. In fact, the strike reportedly killed at least 18 civilians, sparking widespread Pakistani condemnation and protests. Initially, U.S. officials claimed that, at minimum, some high level Al Qaeda officials were among those killed in the attacks, but this claim was never officially confirmed. A January 20 Financial Times report (subscription required) noted: "Pakistani intelligence official confirmed the identities [of alleged Al Qaeda officals] were made on the basis of intelligence information and not 'facts gathered through DNA tests or any other means.' " [Fox News' Weekend Live, 1/21/06]
Deemed Gitmo "the most humane prisoner-of-war facility in history": In a June 15, 2005, column, Snow wrote that the Pentagon's military detention facility at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, "may be the most humane prisoner-of-war facility in history."
Immigration

Called immigrants rights protestors "idiots": In response to Republican strategist Linda Chavez's claim that the flying of Mexican flags by Mexican-Americans at a 1994 protest led to the passage of California's controversial Proposition 187, Snow said, "So, to quote the famous movie Napoleon Dynamite --'idiots.' " [Fox News' Weekend Live, 4/1/06]

"Why doesn't anyone mention that the only real connection between Osama and Saddam is that they've both been on the CIA payroll?"

maybe because they've read about the documents captured in Iraq and recently translated and what they say about the connections between OBL and saddam and don't want to appear as foolish as you do?

"maybe because they've read about the documents captured in Iraq and recently translated and what they say about the connections between OBL and saddam and don't want to appear as foolish as you do?"

Posted by avaroo

Bullshit.

Gee, for a Native American Democrat you sure can natter off a bunch of right wing party line CRAP.

Wow, this will make AQ even more popular than it already is.

Bomb blasts kill dozens at Egypt tourist resort

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2150106,00.html#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=World

ah, the stale stench of being on the wrong side of history. Is that why you're pissed off? LOL

"ah, the stale stench of being on the wrong side of history. Is that why you're pissed off?"

Posted by avaroo

Instead, troll, why don't you show us some links to these recent "translations". Or does the Great Spirit discourage you from posting garbage from NewsMax?

Tell me, were the "translations" from the same translator that Sibel Edmonds tried to warn us about?

Native American Democrat, indeed. Why are lies and subterfuge so essential to the act of defending these bastards in the White House?

32% and dropping.

Smile, troll.

You're just not having a good year, are you, pissed off?

:)

Maybe you and OBL have more in common than you think, pissed off:

Top 9 Things That Piss Osama Bin Laden Off

9. The "gaying" of The Soprano's.

8. Being on the same side of most issues as Ted Kennedy.

7. The fact that no two people spell Al Qaeda the same way.

6. That damp, achy feeling in your bones that comes with cave living.

5. When people keep using his likeness in poorly crafted videos even though he has been dead for over a year.

4. Placing bets through Charlie Sheen.

3. Being six and a half feet tall in a "five-foot cave" world.

2. (tie) Helen Thomas.

2. (tie) Goat "reach-arounds".

1. When people ask him why he glues pubic hair onto his chin.

"You're just not having a good year, are you, pissed off?"

Posted by avaroo

Gee, troll, does this mean you aren't going to link us to this alleged "newfound" documentation of Saddam's collusion with Al Qaeda??? Oh my, what a suprize.

Avaroo, I"m glad to see you've dropped the "concerned liberal" pose.
I could tell that was a huge burden.. but not as big a burden as Bush's latest poll numbers, eh?
And it sounds like you have some new information about Saddam. Are you working as a translator?
I'm not sure fluency in Pig Liberal qualifies you for Arabic studies.. but who knows.

So how DO you avoid any information about the captured Iraqi documents? Fingers in your ears, babbling "blah, blah,blah"? Stay exclusively on looney-bin left-wing websites?

"Avaroo, I"m glad to see you've dropped the "concerned liberal" pose."

what gave you the idea I was a liberal?

"I could tell that was a huge burden"

it sure would be. These are not the days when you want to be a liberal.

".. but not as big a burden as Bush's latest poll numbers, eh?"

Again, how is this a burden for me? For you maybe, but not for me.

"And it sounds like you have some new information about Saddam."

We've had it for awhile but it took way too long to get it translated.

"Are you working as a translator?"

No.

Avaroo,
Unlike you, I have a good memory.
I remember when you were posting on here a few weeks ago, talking about what "we" on the left needed to do. You pulled the same schtick over at FDL. This is all so tedious. It's also tedious to see you repeated unsupported allegations about Bush (senior) and Rummy's good friend Saddam.
For their sake, you should back it up.

And why don't you go back over to FDL? Too hot for you? Ignorant trolls don't last long there.

Classic troll tactics "I know something, but I'm not going to tell you."
You seem peckish today.

"Avaroo,
Unlike you, I have a good memory.
I remember when you were posting on here a few weeks ago, talking about what "we" on the left needed to do."

Nope, I'm not and never have been "on the left". You are confusing being a democrat with being liberal.

"You pulled the same schtick over at FDL."

No, I have never calimed to be liberal.

"It's also tedious to see you repeated unsupported allegations about Bush (senior) and Rummy's good friend Saddam."

You mean this guy?

http://www.lexnotes.com/misc/jacques_iraq.htm

That "god memory" gettin a bit better now?

:)

Don't run off now, Marky. Do you have any other memories of things that were never said? Or are you still desperately searching for some instance of me claiming to be a liberal?

"Avaroo,
Unlike you, I have a good memory.
I remember when you were posting on here a few weeks ago, talking about what "we" on the left needed to do."

Bet it was SEARED into your memory, eh?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Just link us to this new found info avaroo, or be seen as the propaganda drooling troll we both suspect you to be. Frankly, the other personna you use here is far more convincing than this "Native American Democrat" charade. It really does amaze me that you people think these kinds of slimey transparent subterfuges somehow work to Bush's favor. In truth, they only underscore the kind of despicable people and tactics that need be employed to defend evil. Go check out "Joro"/"Kee" on Harry Reid's cesspool of a blog. You are of the same odorous ilk, and the fact that there is seemingly a large number of people that are willing to lower themselves to your level is truly one of the scarier aspects of modern America.

Let's face it. When many people call Bush unpopular, Bush calls out his partner Osama Bin Laden hoping that fear of Osama who Bush failed to defend America against on 9-11-2001, will lead people to increase his popularity.

Bush has turned Osama Bin Laden into his partner.

Use this symbol of dissent and spread it around and print it and post it.

http://www.hoflink.com/~dbaer/bush_gold_coin2x.jpg

http://www.hoflink.com/~dbaer/bush_silver_coin2x1m.jpg

http://www.hoflink.com/~dbaer/bushdollar.jpg

http://buyblue.biz

Shame marky had to run off so precipitously. Perhaps he has located the translations of the documents captured in Iraq and is educating himself.

Glutton for punishment, avaroo?
Embarrassed at being called on your fantasies about Iraq?
Or annoyed that I remembered you being a faux democrat?
"
OK, dems are we going to stand around whining about Karen Hughes while Bush talks about fixing the intelligence problems? And then let him take (and get) credit for doing so?

Posted by avaroo at December 15, 2005 07:22 AM "

Lots more where that came from, you stupid little troll. I hope you're getting paid to be post, becuase you sure make your masters look bad.

"Glutton for punishment, avaroo?"

No, I don't believe you are. Isn't that why you disappeared so precipitously yesterday?

"Or annoyed that I remembered you being a faux democrat?"

You didn't. That was your mistake. You confused being a democrat with being liberal. And I called you on the carpet for it. In fact, you couldn't even come up with a single instance of me calling myself a liberal. Could you? :)

"OK, dems are we going to stand around whining about Karen Hughes while Bush talks about fixing the intelligence problems? And then let him take (and get) credit for doing so?"

Where in this do I refer to myself as a liberal? Or on the left? Come on, point it out.

"Lots more where that came from, you stupid little troll."

Yet not a SINGLE case of what you actually accused me of, calling myself a liberal. LOL, in your face.

Stick around, it's rare that anyone makes such a mistake and then goes down with the ship trying to make it look like they haven't made a huge, glaring, idiotic blunder.

"I hope you're getting paid to be post, becuase you sure make your masters look bad."

ah, spoken like a true liberal. Everyone has a "master".

Still no link to this newfound info about collusion between Saddam and Al Qaeda, eh, Tonto???? Gosh, what a suprise. You oughta google it. Heck, I found it right away in...ahem....the NY Sun Times. It must be required reading on the reservation, I suppose.

Life is ironic. Here we have an indian that is all feather and no teepee supporting a cowboy that is all hat and no cattle.

32% and dropping. Bush havum heap big problem.

Smile, troll.

How are you avoiding it? Got your head permanently implanted in your ass?

"How are you avoiding it? Got your head permanently implanted in your ass?"

Posted by avaroo

No, I'm just doing an annual self examination for colon cancer. (Colonoscopies are expensive, you know.) But for the life of me, I can't figure out what the hell your head is doing in BUSH'S ass. Lord knows HE can afford a proper exam, so I assume that you're just in there for lunch.

Avaroo,
Well, you admit to having been a faux democrat, rather than a faux liberal. Very good. Now stop the games and answer PO's question.
Your rhetorical skills are hardly even Bush-league. If you have some facts to offer, then do so.